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	<description>A Seeker’s Guide to Teaching</description>
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		<title>Comment on What Do You Know? by janet</title>
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		<dc:creator>janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This makes me think of that part in the film &quot;What the Bleep Do We Know?&quot; where one of the Scientists talked about how difficult it is for the brain to form new images - particularly of things never seen before.  This seems to indicate the importance of asking &quot;what do you see&quot; kinds of questions early on so young brains can practice seeing beyond what they&#039;ve already memorized or been conditioned to think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This makes me think of that part in the film &#8220;What the Bleep Do We Know?&#8221; where one of the Scientists talked about how difficult it is for the brain to form new images &#8211; particularly of things never seen before.  This seems to indicate the importance of asking &#8220;what do you see&#8221; kinds of questions early on so young brains can practice seeing beyond what they&#8217;ve already memorized or been conditioned to think.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ending a Teaching by asher</title>
		<link>http://guruhandbook.com/2010/02/18/ending-a-teaching/comment-page-1/#comment-5444</link>
		<dc:creator>asher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicola, thank you for writing. I believe that readers interested in this subject would be grateful to you for any insights you are willing to share.  If you feel comfortable doing so, please be welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicola, thank you for writing. I believe that readers interested in this subject would be grateful to you for any insights you are willing to share.  If you feel comfortable doing so, please be welcome.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ending a Teaching by Nicola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 08:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you. I have started to do this last night as a student and it was one of the hardest, heart-breaking things I have ever done but also beautiful. 

This posting helped me so much, 

Nicola</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you. I have started to do this last night as a student and it was one of the hardest, heart-breaking things I have ever done but also beautiful. </p>
<p>This posting helped me so much, </p>
<p>Nicola</p>
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		<title>Comment on Teaching for Money by asher</title>
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		<dc:creator>asher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When a student pays money for a teaching, they often construct an idea of what they should be getting in return.  They become consumers and because of our pervasive consumer culture they know that they should be weighing the value of the exchange, the teaching for their currency.  Some deeper teachings require a different frame than this allows.

Likewise, when paid with currency the teacher can feel pressure to produce a curriculum that is equal to the money, when these things can never be equal.  This can limit many approaches to teaching and learning.

This is a powerful and subtle issue.  Whether we teach for currency or not, we must look to see how this choice affects the student and ourselves, each time, with each student.  The most important thing for us as teachers is to look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When a student pays money for a teaching, they often construct an idea of what they should be getting in return.  They become consumers and because of our pervasive consumer culture they know that they should be weighing the value of the exchange, the teaching for their currency.  Some deeper teachings require a different frame than this allows.</p>
<p>Likewise, when paid with currency the teacher can feel pressure to produce a curriculum that is equal to the money, when these things can never be equal.  This can limit many approaches to teaching and learning.</p>
<p>This is a powerful and subtle issue.  Whether we teach for currency or not, we must look to see how this choice affects the student and ourselves, each time, with each student.  The most important thing for us as teachers is to look.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Teaching for Money by asher</title>
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		<dc:creator>asher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thorn, good thoughts, and thank you.

Currency has a way of standing in for the thing that it is supposed to be able to purchase, as if it were the thing itself, which of course it is not.  It as if we are standing at a lunch counter, deciding what to buy, and we tell ourselves that we can have anything on the menu we want with our money, so we value the money as if it were the thing, the food, the substance, which would be absurd, yet at some level we see it that way.

You found this with the student to whom you offered the scholarship - teaching for no money -  who failed to show up for the class.  If it costs no money, what can it be worth?  One way to counter this is to say up front that the teaching must be paid for with something beyond currency, that currency alone - present or not present - is simply not enough.

When I teach for no money, I look for a balance that suits my needs, the student&#039;s needs, and the needs of the teaching relationship between us. I may look for a cultural context that embodies the teaching (or my learning) as something besides teaching (see my post on &lt;a href=&quot;http://guruhandbook.com/2008/02/24/teaching-as-a-colleague/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Teaching as a Colleague&lt;/a&gt;). I may ask for non-currency compensation of some sort, a trade.  I may ask something very hard to engage the student&#039;s clarity about the deeper cost of the teaching and to show myself that the student is committed.  Rarely do I ask nothing at all from an explicit teaching arrangement, as I find it rarely works well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thorn, good thoughts, and thank you.</p>
<p>Currency has a way of standing in for the thing that it is supposed to be able to purchase, as if it were the thing itself, which of course it is not.  It as if we are standing at a lunch counter, deciding what to buy, and we tell ourselves that we can have anything on the menu we want with our money, so we value the money as if it were the thing, the food, the substance, which would be absurd, yet at some level we see it that way.</p>
<p>You found this with the student to whom you offered the scholarship &#8211; teaching for no money &#8211;  who failed to show up for the class.  If it costs no money, what can it be worth?  One way to counter this is to say up front that the teaching must be paid for with something beyond currency, that currency alone &#8211; present or not present &#8211; is simply not enough.</p>
<p>When I teach for no money, I look for a balance that suits my needs, the student&#8217;s needs, and the needs of the teaching relationship between us. I may look for a cultural context that embodies the teaching (or my learning) as something besides teaching (see my post on <a href="http://guruhandbook.com/2008/02/24/teaching-as-a-colleague/" rel="nofollow">Teaching as a Colleague</a>). I may ask for non-currency compensation of some sort, a trade.  I may ask something very hard to engage the student&#8217;s clarity about the deeper cost of the teaching and to show myself that the student is committed.  Rarely do I ask nothing at all from an explicit teaching arrangement, as I find it rarely works well.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What Teachers Make by andrea pennacchi</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrea pennacchi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much, this is poetry, the real stuff.. grazie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much, this is poetry, the real stuff.. grazie</p>
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		<title>Comment on Teaching for Money by janet</title>
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		<dc:creator>janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you say more about how the abstract qualities of money affect teaching? It makes sense, but I’d like to hear more.

My experience of food for teaching has proven to be quite different from other types of remuneration. The immediate nature of consumption and nourishment is very concrete. When I have been the one providing food to a teacher, I have been surprised at the degree to which I felt my intention engaged.  

I appreciate that you&#039;re stressing the value of bringing the issue to the table for consideration, rather than making a specific judgment about it as being right or wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you say more about how the abstract qualities of money affect teaching? It makes sense, but I’d like to hear more.</p>
<p>My experience of food for teaching has proven to be quite different from other types of remuneration. The immediate nature of consumption and nourishment is very concrete. When I have been the one providing food to a teacher, I have been surprised at the degree to which I felt my intention engaged.  </p>
<p>I appreciate that you&#8217;re stressing the value of bringing the issue to the table for consideration, rather than making a specific judgment about it as being right or wrong.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Teaching for Money by T. Thorn Coyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>T. Thorn Coyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks as usual for your thoughts. 

I&#039;ve struggled with this in my life - on both sides of the fence. There were times I was barely able to pay for teaching, yet wanted to offer *something*. And in some of my subcultures teaching for money is often frowned upon, but when I was called upon to teach more and more, I had to face my inner shame at asking for fair compensation. I teach full time now - because people keep asking - and try to provide outlets for those who can to pay more, and those who have financial need, to pay less or sometimes not at all. People who study with me steadily all have to work on their relationship with money. And I periodically examine my own. 

Other thoughts: Sometimes when a full scholarship has been offered, the person has not even bothered to show up. This is not always true, of course. It also happens that when people pay a deposit, they are more likely to attend a weekend class, for example, than if they do not. Money does seem to be a motivator in our culture.

However, I do distrust people who charge what seem to be high rates for teaching. James Ray and his $9,000 for a warrior week that ended in the terrible &#039;sweat lodge&#039; tragedy comes to mind, of course. 

Just last month, after doing some money work, I joked to some students that I was glad to not have to take a goat with me on the airplane. Money *is* portable exchange. The money buys food for my body and pays my rent, and I appreciate it for that, but in the long run, I teach because the teaching itself feeds my spirit and helps me to learn. I still pay my official teachers, too, whether in time or money exchange. That feels right to me. 

Here&#039;s a post written after that recent weekend in which money was one of our topics:
http://yezida.livejournal.com/2010/01/20/

(sorry for the LJ, my web feed is under construction)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks as usual for your thoughts. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve struggled with this in my life &#8211; on both sides of the fence. There were times I was barely able to pay for teaching, yet wanted to offer *something*. And in some of my subcultures teaching for money is often frowned upon, but when I was called upon to teach more and more, I had to face my inner shame at asking for fair compensation. I teach full time now &#8211; because people keep asking &#8211; and try to provide outlets for those who can to pay more, and those who have financial need, to pay less or sometimes not at all. People who study with me steadily all have to work on their relationship with money. And I periodically examine my own. </p>
<p>Other thoughts: Sometimes when a full scholarship has been offered, the person has not even bothered to show up. This is not always true, of course. It also happens that when people pay a deposit, they are more likely to attend a weekend class, for example, than if they do not. Money does seem to be a motivator in our culture.</p>
<p>However, I do distrust people who charge what seem to be high rates for teaching. James Ray and his $9,000 for a warrior week that ended in the terrible &#8217;sweat lodge&#8217; tragedy comes to mind, of course. </p>
<p>Just last month, after doing some money work, I joked to some students that I was glad to not have to take a goat with me on the airplane. Money *is* portable exchange. The money buys food for my body and pays my rent, and I appreciate it for that, but in the long run, I teach because the teaching itself feeds my spirit and helps me to learn. I still pay my official teachers, too, whether in time or money exchange. That feels right to me. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a post written after that recent weekend in which money was one of our topics:<br />
<a href="http://yezida.livejournal.com/2010/01/20/" rel="nofollow">http://yezida.livejournal.com/2010/01/20/</a></p>
<p>(sorry for the LJ, my web feed is under construction)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Listening Past the Voices by asher</title>
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		<dc:creator>asher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could well be right about such a distinction. At the same time, a potential weakness with discriminating between intuition and story based on their content is that by doing so you necessarily limit the content of both. What if your intuition provides a story?  What if the story-generating part of your mind offers a feeling? Perhaps this is worth asking of your intuition and your story-telling mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could well be right about such a distinction. At the same time, a potential weakness with discriminating between intuition and story based on their content is that by doing so you necessarily limit the content of both. What if your intuition provides a story?  What if the story-generating part of your mind offers a feeling? Perhaps this is worth asking of your intuition and your story-telling mind.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Listening Past the Voices by asher</title>
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		<dc:creator>asher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, thank you. Yes, of course I very much agree.  And yet, to challenge even this, teaching students to challenge teaching might be a bit of a paradox; how do you teach someone to challenge the teaching that is teaching them to challenge? They might well wonder where is the line between following instructions and challenge.  There are layers and layers here. Sometimes the best teaching is in demonstration, in the act that does not describe but rather shows what is possible.  Thus a teacher might challenge their own teaching, might visibly make mistakes, might ask students to teach. They might show, as students to their students, what forms challenge might take. What do you see in this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, thank you. Yes, of course I very much agree.  And yet, to challenge even this, teaching students to challenge teaching might be a bit of a paradox; how do you teach someone to challenge the teaching that is teaching them to challenge? They might well wonder where is the line between following instructions and challenge.  There are layers and layers here. Sometimes the best teaching is in demonstration, in the act that does not describe but rather shows what is possible.  Thus a teacher might challenge their own teaching, might visibly make mistakes, might ask students to teach. They might show, as students to their students, what forms challenge might take. What do you see in this?</p>
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